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Disinterest in technology
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I just and took a look at the recent Dot Net Rocks show, as a way to look at "what the market is thinking about". I got some interesting responses from looking at the titles. I haven't listen to all of them (not by far), but I won't let that stop me from commenting.
- Adam Nathan on Popfly and Silverlight
Not interested at all. Something that belongs to another planet as far as I am concerned. Combining Popfly (some sort of purple duck, I understand) and Silverlight puts it on the far reaches of Saturn, as far as I am concerned. - Miguel de Icaza and Geoff Norton on Mono
Defiantly interesting, I have been keeping an eye on Mono for a while, I am waiting to see how it works on the Mac, and I argued for Mono based deployment in several projects in the past. EC2 + Mono seems like a very interesting option. - Andy Leonard on Unit Testing your Database
Seems interesting, but mostly my answer to that is: Use in-memory database for that. Oh, and don't use SSIS. Rhino ETL is trivially testable, by the way. - Kirk Munro on Powershell and PowerGUI
Not interested in PowerShell beyond the most cursory of glances. If I want scripting, I got Boo. - Simon Peyton Jones on Haskell and Functional Programming
This is something that I have yet to listen, but it is interesting, mostly because it is a totally different mind-set than the one I usually use. - Les Pinter Looks Back
That was a fun show, not technical content, but really good to listen to it. - Aaron Skonnard puts BizTalk and WCF Together
I get the shivers just thinking about the subject, next. - Sahil Malik Shares the Point
And I'll keep on going missing the point. - David Aiken on Bridging the Gap between Dev and IT
This looks like an interesting show. - Steven Lees on FeedSync
Not interested, I even took a look at the description to ensure that I am not interested. - Kathleen Dollard on the Evolution of Software Development
That was a fun show. - Ken Levy on Visual Studio Extensibility (VSX)
I need to be interested in that, because I have a chapter about IDEs that I need to write, but... that is not an interesting topic to me. Go write in notepad. - Jeff Prosise Goes Deep on Silverlight
Did I mention that it is not interesting? - Joe Duffy on the Task Parallel Library
That was a good show, and something that I actively looking at. - Richard Campbell Tells All!
Very good show. - Jeff Palermo on ASP.NET MVC
It was a good show, but the topic is not interesting, as far as I am concerned. - Gael Fraiteur on PostSharp
PostSharp is something that I keep looking at, haven't found the need for it, but it is an interesting project, and surprisingly outside my usual circles. - Tomas Petricek on PHP in ASP.NET and Silverlight!
Yawn, yawn. - Open Source Panel Discussion at DevTeach, Vancouver
I refer to this episode as the "if loop" show. - Naveen Yajaman on Visual Studio Tools for Applications
Through this show, I kept thinking: Or they could use Boo, get everything that they want and not have to pay "undisclosed" amount in licensing. - Colin Miller and the .NET Micro Framework!
Interesting in the abstract, not sure of its utility. - F# Moves Forward
I have this low level urge to look at F#, but I am just not interested enough. - Dot Net Nuke Discussion Panel
Not interested. - Kent Alstad at Dev Connections!
This should be a scalability show, which are generally interesting, except that I am sick of hearing about "don't use view state", or the fallacy of "scalability means that you can't use convient idioms" - Tim Sneath and Ian Ellison-Taylor on Windows Past, Present and Future
That should be interesting. - Pablo Castro on Astoria
If I recall correctly, Anders Norås wrote an equivalent for that in a few hours. Not really interested.
I think that I'll leave interpretation of those for the comments, but it looks to me like technology topics are growing very old, very fast.
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Congratulations for showing your appreciation for only the most abstract topics like nostolgia and Windows forecasting. I envy you. I think most of those topics you listed here are pretty neet, I wish I could just turn off my curiosity sensor and savor the sweet relaxation of absolute technology apathy like that.
Your blog...I even read this post. Not Interested.
And no show about castle, in all these years. like I told you and Roy, the guys have their hidden agenda.
So what does interest you Oren? What excites you? What's your passion?
Nice! Very interesting post.
I am lately a-bit overwhelmed by the quantity of your posts and many articles in the net in general about yet-another-new-cool-frameworks.
What i get from this topic is a very opiniated (and I like Orens opinion) summary of many different topics. kinda sorted-out list of topics.
thanks.
Bil,
Anything that reduce pain.
Architecture, approaches to problem solving.
Both in the tactical and strategic sense.
I did share your thoughts on SSIS at one point. I did a very large project which had many different flat file formats to one db and I nearly had a breakdown. I got my own KB article published about the size restrictions in .dtsx files.
Recently I have been using it to migrate a non-normalised db into a fully normalised db and I have changed my opinion. In this scenario it is really easy.
I do not want to write code to do this task. Using SSIS I can move things about visually. I can do things ultra fast.
Is there a good example of Rhino ETL that I can look at?
BTW I laughed at your comments about Biztalk and Sharepoint. 2 seriously overused and overvalued products.
Cheers
Paul
That is a damn good point by the mighty Hammet.
Why has there never been a show about Castle?
They did Spring so why not Castle.
Paul,
About SSIS, my arguments about it are not just the tool, but the whole concept.
It is incredibly fragile, complex, hard to use, resistant to source control and team work.
There are a lot of examples in the blog, and the tests have a lot more
I think the main problem is that XML was not the correct format for the .dtsx file.
The logging tells you just about everything you do not want or need to know.
I recently upgraded VS 2005 to VS 2008 and low and behold you cannot open a .dtsx file in VS2008 which is a pain in the rear.
Getting back to dotnetrocks.
I noticed they have had more than one show on DOTNETNUKE which is more like DOTNETPUKE.
I recently did a CMS project with Cuyahoga which I noticed this site uses.
That should definitely get a mention on DNR.
@Ayende and Hammet,
Have you guys ever approached them about doing a show on Castle? I wouldn't be surprised if they don't get plenty of shows from other people approaching them.
And yes, it seems silly that they've done some far out things and done nothing with Castle and especially nothing with MonoRail.
I don't think it's any kind of hidden agenda, I just don't think that the pair of them has much exposure to anything from the Open Source realm.
" And no show about castle, in all these years. like I told you and Roy, the guys have their hidden agenda."
like in conspiracy theory? :P
A few notes:
You might be interested in the FeedSync show. In theory, FeedSync is a universal "sync two data stores" library/web-based service that happens to work well with RSS. In theory.
By their own admission, DotNetRocks has a mix of pure technology shows and ... I don't know what to call it, "everything else" shows. So at best you'll be ignoring half of their content.
The Polymorphic Podcast (www.polymorphicpodcast.com) focuses less on technology, so you might like that one more. Or you may just have more reason to disagree with the content :)
You might like the OOPSLA 2007 podcasts. I'm digging through my queue and (back to back) are presentations by David(?) Parnas and Fredrick Brooks. Awesome.
This is starting to sound like a podcast recommendation post. You might like ArCast with Ron Jacobs (MSFT) - just exclude the obviously technology-focused shows.
Richard Campbell did mention (on-air) a while back that he needed to do a Castle show, but apparently that didn't happen.
I cant find it in the Previous Shows list now, but I remember listening to a DNR show about Monorail a year or so ago. I have been meaning to look at it ever since but no time so far!
Oren, why are you getting so bitter? You seem like you are becoming the worn-out, over worked developer who is annoyed at the world!
Monorail on Hanselminutes: http://www.hanselminutes.com/default.aspx?showID=71
There is no DNR show on Monorail.
Abe,
Bitter?
I don't think so.
I have general disinterest in new technologies at the moment, that is true. Mainly because I think that a lot of them are over hyped, and I have some really bad experiences with the stuff that is being out there.
I don't think that bitter is the term for it, though
Strikes me that all of MSes new technologies are nothing but rehashes and interpretations of existing techs from other companies and groups. As such, "Ho hum" would be a fitting word for any show that's covering them.
Kinda funny how the first couple of posts were rather negative towards you for pointing out the obvious: MS needs to recover their innovation and stop duping others techs.
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